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    The court case involves marriages allowed last year by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, center.

    A judge ruled Monday that California's ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional - a legal milestone that, if upheld on appeal, would open the way for the most populous state to follow Massachusetts in allowing same-sex couples to wed.

    Judge Richard Kramer of San Francisco County's trial-level Superior Court likened the ban to laws requiring racial segregation in schools, and said there appears to be ''no rational purpose'' for denying marriage to gay couples.

    The ruling came in response to lawsuits filed by the city of San Francisco and a dozen gay couples a year ago after the California Supreme Court halted a four-week same-sex marriage spree started by Mayor Gavin Newsom.

    The opinion had been eagerly awaited because of San Francisco's historical role as a gay rights battleground.

    Gay marriage supporters hailed the ruling as a historic development akin to the 1948 state Supreme Court decision that made California the first state to legalize interracial marriage.

    ''Today's ruling is an important step toward a more fair and just California that rejects discrimination and affirms family values for all California families,'' San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera said.

    Conservative leaders expressed outrage at the ruling and vowed to appeal.

    ''For a single judge to rule there is no conceivable purpose for preserving marriage as one man and one woman is mind-boggling,'' said Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver. ''This decision will be gasoline on the fire of the pro-marriage movement in California as well as the rest of the country.

    Last winter, nearly 4,000 gay couples got married after Newsom instructed the city to issue them licenses, in defiance of state law. The California Supreme Court later declared those marriages void, saying the mayor overstepped his authority. But the court did not address the underlying issue of whether the law against gay marriage violates the California Constitution.

    At issue in the current case were a 1977 law that defined marriage as ''a personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman,'' and a voter-approved measure in 2000 that amended the law to say more explicitly: ''Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.''

    Gay marriage opponents were particularly upset by the judge's decision to nullify to 2000 proposition - approved by 61 percent of voters.

    ''The practical effect is the disregard of close to two-thirds of the people of California who used the initiative process to ensure that marriage would remain between one man and one woman,'' said Robert Tyler, an attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund.

    The state maintained that tradition dictates that marriage should be limited to opposite-sex couples. Attorney General Bill Lockyer also cited the state's domestic-partners law as evidence that California does not discriminate against gays.

    But Kramer rejected that argument, citing Brown v. Board of Education - the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision that struck down segregated schools.

    ''The idea that marriage-like rights without marriage is adequate smacks of a concept long rejected by the courts - separate but equal,'' the judge wrote.

    It could be months or years before the state actually sanctions same-sex marriage, if ever. Kramer's decision is stayed automatically for 60 days to allow time for appeal.

    Lockyer has said in the past that he expected the matter eventually would have to be settled by the California Supreme Court.

    A jovial Newsom was flanked by several same-sex couples and their supporters at a City Hall news conference shortly after the ruling was announced. ''We will not be appealing this decision,'' the mayor joked as the crowd broke into laughter.

    Two bills now before the California Legislature would put a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November ballot. If California voters approve such an amendment, as those in 13 other states did last year, that would put the issue out of the control of lawmakers and the courts.

    The decision is the latest development in a national debate that has been raging since 2003, when the highest court in Massachusetts decided that denying gay couples the right to wed was unconstitutional.

    In the wake of the Massachusetts ruling, gay rights advocates filed lawsuits seeking to strike down traditional marriage laws in several other states. Opponents responded by proposing state and federal constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

    Around the country, Kramer is the fourth trial court judge in recent months to decide that the right to marry and its benefits must be extended to same-sex couples.

    Just as many judges have gone the other way in recent months, however, refusing to accept the argument that keeping gays from marrying violates their civil rights.

    California has the highest percentage of same-sex partners in the nation, and its Legislature has gone further than any other in providing gay couples the benefits of marriage without being forced to do so by court order.

    Source: AP

  • #2
    im sorry but if it were meant for us to be gay...we wouldnt be born with 2 different sexes.....the only people who i even consider that would be to be ok would be the people who are born fucked up! if you wanna be gay thats your deal but that doesnt take away the fact your still ramming or (tongue bathing) the same sex like a damn animal


    • #3
      I really don't see what the big deal is about gay marriage. Who does it hurt? If you don't agree with it, don't do it. Only the bible thumpers and homo fobes want to ban it.


      • #4
        Good, in my opinion the gay ban should be unconstitutional. I've been discriminated against my whole life. The last thing I'm going to do is discriminate against someone else.

        Bottom Line?
        They're gonna pack fudge regardless, so if the want to be married let them. If their partner were dying in the hospital they wouldn't be able to see them unless they were related or married.


        • #5
          i think people like you needa learn to take a stand on something rather than being a dike and saying people can do whatever they want!
          if everybody ran like that it'd be choas and disorder....just remember what happend to sodom and gamora!

          in plain english.....one hairy man doesnt need to be touchin another hairy man much less suckin his for-skin off.....


          • #6
            life has a cycle and us as people are already more ignorant than we should be...next we are gonna start de-evolving ourselves

            First being gay, next its gonna be legal to have sex with animals on the porch of your suburbian home

            fuckin sick as world...us bible thumpers are the only ones with morals now days....


            • #7
              First off Harmon I'm not a dike so chill.

              The bible says lots of things. You can't pick and choose what you want to believe in out of the bible and then try to inforce it on to people. You're a hypocrite because you have a problem with two men getting together but not two women. Also you can't compare gay sex with sex with animals. How would gay sex lead to that?


              • #8
                i never said im down with lesbos either...
                i think being gay in general is wrong...but thats my opinion

                i dont wanna get started about the bible either...religion discussion is just like political shit it never gets anywhere...its just what you believe or dont
                Last edited by Harmon; 03-16-2005, 1:37 PM.


                • #9
                  Harmon is a homophobic. Relax

                  Let's bust out the KY. Equal rights baby!!!!!!!


                  • #10
                    The Tanakh (what you refer to as the Old Testament) in the original Hebrew does not state that Sodom and Gomorrah wad destroyed for homosexuality, it actually never even mentions if there was homosexuality going on there, the thought that there was is complete conjecture on part of Christians wanting to advocate that homosexuality is wrong.


                    • #11
                      In continuation, the only verse in the Tanakh that could be seen as anti-gay is as follows, "A man shall not lie with another male like he lies with a woman; he shall die."

                      This is seen by most as stating that two men should not have sexual relations with one another.

                      Some take it to the same extreme with women claiming that it general analogy speaking about both sexes.

                      I am of the thought that it is not speaking about homosexuality, and definitely does not condemn lesbianism, or female bi-sexuality, but merely male anal penetration, and thus if guys want to do every thing else under the sun besides anal penetration I do not see where the Tanakh, the Bible condemns it?

                      So to each their own...........


                      • #12
                        dude it even says lott tried to give his daughters to the men, habit....meanin these fools were queer.......sometimes u gotta read-between the lines and not take everything word for word literal

                        this may be my opinion but look at it how it is......


                        • #13
                          Yo Harmon you're 17 right? One more year till your colon is ripe for the taking...

                          I still can't understand why gay rights bothers uptight america so much.


                          • #14
                            it dont bother me...i just think its wrong

                            i was brought up with this believe and will die with it

                            and i dont have a problem with it till gay guys try to take my colon..u proved my point


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Harmon
                              and i dont have a problem with it till gay guys try to take my colon..u proved my point


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